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Non quam nostram quidem, inquit Pomponius iocans; Ut aliquid scire se gaudeant? Quippe: habes enim a rhetoribus; Hic Speusippus, hic Xenocrates, hic eius auditor Polemo, cuius illa ipsa sessio fuit, quam videmus. Quae quo sunt excelsiores, eo dant clariora indicia naturae. Quod mihi quidem visus est, cum sciret, velle tamen confitentem audire Torquatum. Ne amores quidem sanctos a sapiente alienos esse arbitrantur. Hoc non est positum in nostra actione.

Omnia contraria, quos etiam insanos esse vultis. Huic mori optimum esse propter desperationem sapientiae, illi propter spem vivere. Piso, familiaris noster, et alia multa et hoc loco Stoicos irridebat: Quid enim? Ex ea difficultate illae fallaciloquae, ut ait Accius, malitiae natae sunt. Quid iudicant sensus? Quid me istud rogas?

Ego quoque, inquit, didicerim libentius si quid attuleris, quam te reprehenderim. Quo studio Aristophanem putamus aetatem in litteris duxisse? Atque ab isto capite fluere necesse est omnem rationem bonorum et malorum. Ut proverbia non nulla veriora sint quam vestra dogmata. Hoc enim constituto in philosophia constituta sunt omnia. Potius inflammat, ut coercendi magis quam dedocendi esse videantur.

Ita graviter et severe voluptatem secrevit a bono. Ergo hoc quidem apparet, nos ad agendum esse natos. Sint ista Graecorum; Claudii libidini, qui tum erat summo ne imperio, dederetur. Levatio igitur vitiorum magna fit in iis, qui habent ad virtutem progressionis aliquantum. Bonum patria: miserum exilium. Qui est in parvis malis.

Illa argumenta propria videamus, cur omnia sint paria peccata. Quod, inquit, quamquam voluptatibus quibusdam est saepe iucundius, tamen expetitur propter voluptatem. Haec et tu ita posuisti, et verba vestra sunt. Facit enim ille duo seiuncta ultima bonorum, quae ut essent vera, coniungi debuerunt; Ergo omni animali illud, quod appetiti positum est in eo, quod naturae est accommodatum. Hoc sic expositum dissimile est superiori.

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igitur esse censet gaudere, aliud non dolere. Iis igitur est difficilius satis facere, qui se Latina scripta dicunt contemnere.

Quid enim est a Chrysippo praetermissum in Stoicis? Legimus tamen Diogenem, Antipatrum, Mnesarchum, Panaetium, multos alios in primisque familiarem nostrum Posidonium. Quamquam te quidem video minime esse deterritum. Nulla profecto est, quin suam vim retineat a primo ad extremum. Quid ergo? Ita fit cum gravior, tum etiam splendidior oratio. Aliter homines, aliter philosophos loqui putas oportere? Que Manilium, ab iisque M. Urgent tamen et nihil remittunt. In quibus doctissimi illi veteres inesse quiddam caeleste et divinum putaverunt. Quid, si non sensus modo ei sit datus, verum etiam animus hominis?

Nam ista vestra: Si gravis, brevis; Dolere malum est: in crucem qui agitur, beatus esse non potest. Ita prorsus, inquam; Qui autem de summo bono dissentit de tota philosophiae ratione dissentit. Nemo igitur esse beatus potest. Quo modo autem optimum, si bonum praeterea nullum est? Ex quo, id quod omnes expetunt, beate vivendi ratio inveniri et comparari potest. Age nunc isti doceant, vel tu potius quis enim ista melius?

Hoc ille tuus non vult omnibusque ex rebus voluptatem quasi mercedem exigit. Quamquam haec quidem praeposita recte et reiecta dicere licebit. Quid iudicant sensus? Dic in quovis conventu te omnia facere, ne doleas. Hoc enim constituto in philosophia constituta sunt omnia. Ubi ut eam caperet aut quando? Cur ipse Pythagoras et Aegyptum lustravit et Persarum magos adiit?

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